139: Cort Christie, CEO of Sperti Sunlamps: Getting Vitamin D From A Lamp?! Boost Immunity & Sleep Better A Novel Product

 Welcome to the sleep as a skill podcast. My name is Mollie McGlocklin and I own a company that optimizes sleep through technology, accountability, and behavioral change. Each week I'll be interviewing world class experts ranging from doctors, innovators, and thought leaders to give actionable tips and strategies that you can implement to become a more skillful sleeper.

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Welcome to the sleep as a skill podcast. Our episode today is all about light. I know we speak a ton about light on this podcast and for good reason, because it is the most important lever to impacting your circadian health. Of course, the flip side of light being darkness. And we want to always understand some of the latest options that we have to support our journey in having bright days and dark nights.

And our guest, Cort Christie, is going to help share some innovative approaches to this. Now, Cort has an extensive background in the financial services and business consulting industries. He has distinguished himself as a nationally recognized Speaker and has appeared as a featured guest on some of the largest radio shows across the country.

He's also hosted his own radio program in San Diego and Las Vegas television appearances include cable networks, MSNBC and CNBC. But today's podcast is going to be all about his two companies in particular. He's got lots of companies, but two in particular. Spurdy and the Alaska Northern Lights Company.

So first off, I've mentioned Spurdy a number of times on this podcast because it is the only FDA cleared a lamp that actually produces vitamin D from a lamp. I mean, can you get more novel than that? And actually. It has the opportunity to potentially be covered by insurance if you're dealing with certain things like psoriasis and eczema.

And because vitamin D is crucial to your ability to be able to produce sufficient melatonin at night, we're going to go deep into this conversation of how this could be an. Clickable technology for you to utilize as well as looking at things like good old sad lamps, also known as seasonal affective disorder lamps with his company, Alaska Northern lights.

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com forward slash sleep as a skill. I will also include this in the show notes as well. And welcome to the sleep as a skill podcast. I am really, really delighted, no pun intended to be able to have. This amazing, amazing guest on the podcast to speak to something that I have referenced a number of times, which is certainly, of course, we're often talking about light and circadian health on this podcast and in our newsletters and courses and all the things, and yet this is the only company that I know of and that exists in the United States that is FDA cleared to produce vitamin D from a lamb.

Super, super exciting. I cannot wait to discuss more about this as well as some other information about things like light boxes, seasonal affective disorder, etc. So without further ado, thank you so much for taking the time to be here. Uh, it is my pleasure, Molly. I'm glad to be with you and your audience today.

Oh, this is gonna be a fantastic because like I said, I've mentioned particularly just starting with the Spurdy company. I know we've got two really important companies in the world of utilizing light like a drug in a lot of ways. Utilizing light of all the body of research that we have of how it can impact our health and well being, certainly our sleep wake cycles.

But beginning with Spurdy, would just love to hear a little bit of a background on how in the world you came to create the only game in town. Yeah, it's very interesting and actually I've been involved in light therapy for almost 20 years now and first got involved in bright light therapy, which we can talk about a little later if we have time, but over the years was looking for opportunities to get more products.

to help people with sleep, with mental health issues and overall health using light. And I found a company that was based in Kentucky and they had three products. One of them, um, was a tanning light and it was a home tanning unit, which. You know, we still have today, but it's really not the focus because we focus on health.

And the second product was a, uh, a psoriasis light for people that have eczema and psoriasis. And the third product that I was very, very interested in, which drew me to this company, was the vitamin D light that they had produced. And this, this company is called Spurdy, spurdy. com, and it was started over 70 years ago by Dr.

Spurdy, where he'd been involved in an Using light to treat many different ailments for many years and UV light has many different therapeutic benefits. Just like when we're out in the sun, there's a lot of benefits to getting sunlight on many, many levels. And so he was able to mimic the sunlight in the production of vitamin D and make it so that it was useful for human and absorbed through the human skin, just like sunlight.

And so I yeah. When approached the owner of this company, um, they had really, they had something really interesting, but they didn't know how to get it out there. And they didn't know how to really message their product and get it to the world. And so, um, I ended up buying that company about five years ago and we took it over and really, um, looked at what they were doing, how they were doing it, and then figured out what we need to do to spread the word and the message.

And, you know, people like you, Molly, that are focused on helping people with, you know, their health overall and their sleep health. Is, um, it's such a big deal because vitamin D relates so well to that and helping people really benefit their immune system, benefit their overall body function, which then benefits sleep and other things.

So it was an interesting business. I put a deal together with the owners and bought the company. And now I've been involved in, you know, an expansion of our product line, but I'm excited about the vitamin D light because it's the only product. in the United States for human use for vitamin D, you know, absorption through light so far from the FDA.

Amazing. And I might have missed it, but for you and your interest in this area, were there particular things that you were looking for your own health and well being to have a breakthrough in by utilizing light? It wasn't necessarily that Cort Christie, uh, was looking for vitamin D in general. I'd always supplemented with vitamin D and knew that as a part of my, um, of supplements.

But I think it was once I understood the full impact of this particular product and how so many people were vitamin D deficient in this country. And we've really found out about that now since COVID and the impact of COVID. on respiratory health. Um, for so many individuals that had low blood serum levels of vitamin D.

And, um, that being such a big deal now, I feel like the world is kind of aware that, hey, vitamin D is a really big thing. So it wasn't as much of a personal matter for me and my own health care, but it was, wow, here's a cool product that we can get out to the world and let them know about that's that's available.

Absolutely. And do you know around how many people are dealing with or ballpark of what appears to be vitamin D deficiency? Yeah, I think we've got about at least 50 percent of, uh, Americans over the age of 30, they tend to be, you know, less outdoors, their body functions, things have started to slow down for them.

where you've got about half of that population that is not getting a vitamin D through eating right or through supplementation or through just getting some sunlight. You know, we've had such an avoidance to sunlight due to cancer and skin cancer. And so it's been such a big concern for individuals. Now we've gone too far to the other side.

And if you can't get sunlight or you're not in a community where you're getting enough sun, then this is where. Um, you have an option of having a product like the Spurdy vitamin D light that you can use at home to increase your blood serum levels of vitamin D. So for people listening and then they say, well, I'll just take vitamin D supplements.

Why? Isn't that the path? Why is that not a viable idea? Yeah, you want to make sure that you get a high quality product if you are supplementing. And just as a note, I do both. I supplement and I also have my light therapy device that I use at home three days a week. And so I want my blood serum levels to be around 80 to 100, which is quite high.

Most people don't consider. that in what they call the normal ranges, but it has helped me through thick and thin. I fly every week for business. I'm, uh, in large, um, companies, um, organizations, and I've got a lot of employees, and I'm around people that get sick, and I always feel like I just have this immune defense system that allows me to...

move around without getting sick. And I know it has so much to do with things like, you know, wow, I use vitamin D and supplement. So supplements serve a place, but many people will find out that even through supplementation, if they're checking their blood, um, levels of it, they can't get it high enough to be really sufficient.

And, you know, it's my belief. to 30 ideally to 50. And as I've already said, I pushed mine up to, um, between 80 and a hundred. So, um, supplementation also, we have many people that, um, have, uh, let's just call them high BMI. We won't, uh, they are heavier than they need to be. And what tends to happen in the body is we have issues of malabsorption with supplementation.

And so, you know, I, I think the greatest example of this, what, what that means is, um, you take a bunch of vitamin C and then you go to the bathroom to relieve yourself and you see a lot of, you know, brightness. In the, uh, in the toilet, vitamin D wash right through you, that part of it's not getting into your bloodstream.

And, uh, and so with vitamin D supplementation, a lot of people don't absorb it where they need it. And fat can be a barrier to get it into the cells where you need to have it for cellular health. So, uh, This is a way, first I say get out in the sun, number one, okay, for many reasons. Number two, um, supplement on top of that to get your vitamin D levels up and if you're looking for more of a boost or you're not getting your, um, blood serum levels up for vitamin D to a level that you want personally, then this is where the Spriti vitamin D product works really well because now we're, uh, basically you getting vitamin D through the skin.

We're getting UV light that ultimately produces vitamin D in our bodies and increases our vitamin D levels. Absolutely. And there's particular concerns or do you see extra sales for the Sperdy lamp? in what we'll often recommend for people in northern latitude locations, where on the globe, just even strategically at different parts throughout the year, the more northern reaching that you are, the more challenging it can be to create sufficient vitamin D.

And in many cases, it's really next to impossible with our kind of modern day lifestyles and what have you to, but even just the strength of the sun, if we're talking up to far reaching. portions of Canada or what have you. So do you find that in particular that's a vulnerable population when they're living in a northern latitude location and going into those winter months that this could be something to supplement when there's really a time when we often dip in our vitamin D levels?

Yes. And many, many of those multiple questions. They're totally, you know, the northern states. And then in the wintertime, right? We see, um, many people reaching out looking for a way to, uh, get sunlight, but in a way that they can't write. And so we've got limited sun exposure, the higher north you are, you have, um, the degrees of intensity of the UV rays from the sun.

Decreased dramatically in the wintertime, even when you are outside. So you notice you can spend hours outside in the winter. You won't get tan like you do in the summertime because it has to do with the angle of the sun at the earth. And then coastal is a really big one as well. Sure. Also reasons of, uh, coastal areas of California, Oregon, even Florida, where they get inversion levels in where they're not getting enough sunlight because.

you know, San Diego gets sucked in for weeks and they don't get the sun or San Francisco area. So, um, we'll see a lot of those areas as well. It's just where are they not getting the intensity of the sun or the lack of sunlight. And obviously the northern latitude areas is where it's, uh, it's most prevalent.

And the winter times we see, you know, the greatest number of sales for the vitamin D unit as well. Sure. Okay. And so for this unit, just again to underscore its unique nature, it is a lamp that you sit in front of and that by proxy of by sitting in front of this lamp, you are creating vitamin D from a lamp, which is so novel that I think most people can miss how people.

Yeah. Rare that is. And secondly, what might this look like in practical application for people if they say, Oh, I'm busy and how long do I have to sit in front of this thing? What does this look like? You mentioned three times a week. I think you said for you, what do you suggest for people? Yeah, those are great questions as well.

I think, first of all, people don't know that this product exists. It's very unique because, like I said, we're the only allowed product to be sold for this purpose right now by the Food and Drug Administration. And, uh, and so therefore the people haven't heard of it. And the idea that you can, you know, basically bring the effects of the sun into your house.

through an artificial unit like this that will replicate those, those rays is, is very special. And, uh, when it comes to the practicality of now using this device, you know, because people prefer to just drop a pill if they can, I'll take this up and I'll throw something down my throat, you know, but the effectiveness of this unit through the skin is so much better for raising, um, vitamin D levels in the body.

And so here's how simple it is. It's literally. Five minutes, you know, three days a week every other day that you turn this unit on you you do have Little uv protective goggles that we have with the product Because it can affect your eyes and you want to make sure you're not getting uv in your eyes And you sit there doing whatever, relaxing, meditating, put some headphones on, listen to your favorite music, and for five minutes, and then that's it.

You turn it off and you go about your day. So it's very simple. Um, the unit is about, uh, 24 inches tall. It's about 10 inches wide. It's very simple. It sits on a desk, a table. Um, I've seen people actually put it on the The back of a toilet in the bathroom and sit on top of it and just let it do its thing while it's just sitting there plugged in ready to go every day, you know, it's, um, so it doesn't have to be in the way it's really easy to use and super effective as well as far as raising, you know, vitamin D levels in the body.

So interesting. Okay, so people can purchase this and it sounds like there's opportunities to for people to even have this potentially covered by insurance or a portion of that further speaks to its kind of validity or application for actual health and well being that could be prescription based. Yeah, it depends on, uh, what kind of health insurance you have and what they cover and what they don't cover.

Um, but, you know, we do have the ability for you to submit for this to your insurance company, and if you can get a prescription from your doctor that this is something that they would recommend for you, now all of a sudden you get reimbursed for that. You can use a health savings account. Many people have health savings accounts to pay for this because this would be a qualified medical device as well, too, that's covered by that.

So there's several ways of paying for this unit. Um, but I think when you look at it in reference to supplementation, you know, and the cost of supplements over the course of years, um, because, you know, vitamin D supplements aren't that expensive, but this is a device that you can use for the next 10 years.

That's always going to be there for you to take advantage of. So it works really well, but yep, insurance can be utilized for that. And there are additional benefits to the light hitting the skin that we aren't able to get through supplements, correct? Like, as it relates to nitric oxide production and other benefits, is that one of the things that you also point to?

Yes, there's many, uh, different things that affect, uh, effect. Um, beyond just vitamin D levels in the body as well. And so, you know, the sun's doing a lot. We always reference it to just, uh, Hey, it's vitamin D that's so important, but you know, there's a lot of other reactions taking place in the skin and how the liver then is processing that and it goes into your bloodstream and enhances cellular health throughout the body.

So a lot to that, we can get deep into the, you know, the data and the research or. You know, just let people know that really it's primary focus and we always talk about that is, you know, we have an epidemic of people in this country of low vitamin D levels and we have to figure out what is it going to take to create that awareness and get people to realize that immune health, sleep health, overall health relates to high levels of vitamin D in the body.

Absolutely. And the message must have somehow gotten out, especially during COVID when, cause it seemed like there was a period when I had certain clients that were trying to get your lamp and it was like sold out. So like so quickly you get a new stock, right? So people must slowly be getting this message is what we're seeing.

Yes, they are. And I think there was so much research coming out during COVID and everyone was talking about, you know. Don't take this, take this, but their underlying research is coming out around low vitamin D levels in the body and as it related to, you know, your ability to recover quickly, the likelihood of hospitalization from COVID, you know, people dying sadly from COVID having low vitamin D levels.

And so during, you know, the height of the pandemic. Um, we couldn't keep it around. It was very difficult to keep that unit around. Now things have settled down a bit, but we're starting to see a big uptick in COVID as well, kicking off in this country right now. And people, you know, all of a sudden are back to, Oh shoot, what do I do?

You know, I've been out in the sun. I've been enjoying summer. And now all of a sudden we're back to work, we're back to school, life's normalized. We're probably around a lot more people than maybe we were when we were outside. Now we're indoors much more and we're seeing flu and other things travel around the country.

So now all of a sudden we're starting to see people reaching out to us, asking questions, more people purchasing the vitamin D unit at this point. Absolutely. And one of the things that we've seen for people that are looking to support their sleep, they start getting into this conversation of, okay, light is clearly important.

It's clearly a big part of this conversation. And yet then there's confusion when they'll say, all right, fine, I'll buy this. And then, but wait, I need to then also get other alternative bright light sources to kind of reset my master clock in the morning. So it gets into the physics of light and the different components of, there's benefits from vitamin D at certain parts of the day, but then there's other benefits from getting bright light exposure in the eyes in the beginning parts of the day or certain other times throughout the day.

And I know that you have another company that speaks to that concern. I wonder if you could just share about that. Yeah, absolutely. Um, as I mentioned, I've been involved in light therapy for over 20 years now. And, uh, uh, there's a company that's called Alaska Northern Lights and it's, uh, our sister company to spurdy.

com, which sells the vitamin D unit and Alaska Northern Lights. Uh, dot com um, is a website that has, uh, four different light therapy products that we offer and we focus on bright light therapy. Bright light therapy is essential for, um, mental health, for, uh, treating. a seasonal affective disorder. So we talk about as, you know, the days get shorter and we talk about our, our northern state friends that, uh, have really get impacted during the winter, especially Alaska.

Obviously the namesake of our, our company is our, our bright light therapy products relate incredibly well to sleep health. And Setting and I know you've had this on other programs and you've educated your audiences about, you know, circadian rhythms of getting to bed at the right time and waking up.

And how do you reset that? And how do you sleep through the night? And what are some of the ways that you can go about that? And, you know, God bless the people that have no problem sleeping, you know, I know some people like that and I'm just like, if only I was like that, that would be beautiful, um, but a lot of us have to do many things to get a great night's sleep and with bright light therapy.

It really helps you, um, turn off melatonin levels. You use this product in the mornings and it resets your day. It's sort of like walking outside on a bright, sunny summer day. And you're just like, ah, it feels so wonderful. And, but you can't get that in the wintertime and you can't get that in many areas.

And we've got, you know, Healthcare workers that are working night shifts and factory workers, um, they don't get to see the sun the way that we get to see or experience it in the same way where they wake up with the sun every morning. And so bright light therapy affects your hormone levels, shuts off melatonin, activates serotonin levels, makes you feel great, and it's also resetting that circadian rhythm that's so important that makes you slowly shut down at the end of the night, you're ready for bed.

And it's a great product for that, but as it's resetting things in the morning, it's also affecting that feel good hormone, as I mentioned, serotonin, and as it activates that, it has a lot to do with your mental health, your, you know, a crappy rainy day, let's say you live in Seattle. Yeah, I could never do it.

I know same people that can, but I live in a place with 300 days of sunlight a year. And I originally came from Northern Minnesota. So I know seasonal affective disorder very well, but you know, you don't want to get out of bed and you just are lethargic and you don't have any energy. And that's a part of what bright light therapy resets for you, giving you that energy, giving you that feeling of well being and really affects a lot of people differently.

It's, it's interesting how many calls we, we get into our offices of individuals that have had their life changed by using bright light therapy. Because, you know, they were incredibly depressed, and they were suicidal, and all of a sudden, they feel different, like they've got a new lease on life, and, you know, doesn't always affect everyone to that extent, but we've got tons of people that let us know how it did impact their lives to that extent.

Oh, absolutely. And one of the things I really like definitely will encourage and share in the show notes of how people can check out these different companies and look at all these different products because, you know, you have different ways of getting this in and working this into your life, no matter your lifestyle.

So the glasses, you know, to light therapy glasses, or if you need particular stands to make this more seamless, whatever you need, There's different optionalities of how to work this in. So really, really important. And since I know that clearly we might have to have some sort of part two or something because it's such a big topic that we're tackling, and yet every person that we bring on we always ask four questions of how you're bringing all of this stuff into your own life and what we can learn from kind of by example of what we might see with you.

So the first question that we ask of everyone is what does your nightly sleep routine look like right now? Yes. Great question. I, I try to get to bed by 11 p. m. Some people want to get to bed a lot earlier than that. Um, I tend to have a real active mind. It takes me a while to shut down. Get that. I do. I do.

I do some reading at night and I, um, use a digital device to do that. And so I do have, um, glasses that block the rays of the blue light that comes off those devices and that really helps me, um, you know, bring things down there. Amber glasses that I utilize. And so that reduces a lot of that mental noise that gets activated with devices as well.

It's Um, what else do I do? I, I tend to have a couple of glasses of water before I go to bed. Unfortunately, you do tend to wake up to have to relieve yourself later on, but it helps me go down and sleep and I really avoid any alcohol. You know, late in the evening, which is just, um, obviously it goes against people think it's going to help you fall asleep.

It might help you get to sleep, but it won't keep you to sleep and it'll negatively affect that tremendously. So I know you're well aware of that, Molly. So those are some of the things that I do. And then in the morning to make sure that I'm activated, um, I do use our bright light therapy product as I'm getting going.

And I have mine in my bathroom as I'm getting ready. And so it's helping me get the circadian rhythm set. So when I do go down at night at 11 o'clock, I am ready. You know, I might read for 10 minutes and my body's just going and crashing fast. That's so great. Okay. And I like that routine, the consistency of, uh, cause it's one of the biggest things we see too is just, you know, some people might say, oh yeah, I go to bed at nine, but then they do that a couple of days a week.

And then the other day that they're going to bed really late or what have you. So it sounds like you brought that consistency, which is so crucial for sleep. It's great. And then we also ask, what might we see in your morning sleep routine? Which I don't know if there's been a better guest to speak to how you set up your day of how that can impact your night.

So what might we see there in your mornings? Yes. Great question. I think the, the one thing that, you know, so important is to activate, um, serotonin levels. As I mentioned that bright light therapy that I have in my bathroom when I wake up and get ready in the morning. Um, I'm back to drinking water once again, my body hydrated because you will feel that in your energy levels for the day if you are not hydrated and uh, and then making sure I'm eating something, you know, it's easy for some people to just hit the coffee.

Again, you get dehydrated from that as well, but make sure you've got some energy and some fuel in your tank to get going for the day. And then, um, I consistently try to get up between 6 30 and um, no later than seven every day. And I, you know, even on weekends when I'm feeling like, Hey, there's nothing to get up for.

I still stay in that zone and my workouts and my exercise routines tend to be in the evenings. And that's more to, um, Due to my work schedule than anything else. Okay, beautiful. And then what might we see in your environment? You know, we say your nightstand but just in your space that might be noteworthy Well, first of all, you've got blackout shades.

Yay Giant proponent of that Um, we've got a large slider in our master bedroom and i've got blackout shades that pull down And a giant curtain around it that wraps it in. So I'm very sensitive to, you know, those, that morning light in the summertime. And I need that sleep. I can't be waking up at 5 a. m. I want to make sure that I'm at least sleeping till 6 30.

So environmentally, I'm really big on making sure that we've got proper blinds in the house. Also, there's, there are no TVs in my bedroom. We're not watching TV. As I mentioned, I do have an iPad that I do flip through some news articles and other information. Or I'm reading a book on that as well. Um, that environment, uh, there is no clock that you can see in my room.

That's lit up. I don't want to know what time it is. I think that's a distraction to be watching that every few hours. Um, my phone is away from me. It's, it's a hassle. I have to get out of bed to get to my phone. I'm not wanting that available as well. So I can reach out and I have to just work through.

Getting to sleep. And if I wake up going back to sleep. So environmentally, those are some of the things that, uh, that I take advantage of. Oh, that's great. And then the last question would be What would you say so far to date has made the biggest change to your sleep game or said another way? Maybe biggest aha moment in managing your own sleep.

That's a great one. I'd say the number one thing for me Was getting to a point of letting go and you know, the talk, the story, the, the monkey mind that goes on, you know, I own several businesses and, uh, got a couple of hundred employees that work for me. So it's pretty active what goes on in my daily life and I can take that right into bed with me if I want to.

And it's been something I've figured out over the years and adapted and how to just turn all that off. Let it all go. And meditation is a part of that practice as well. And I try to do that. Um, I'm not, uh, I don't have a great practice, but it's about three days a week where I go to a separate area of my house, plug in, um, some meditation music and just Sit and be for about 15 minutes.

Again, clearing the mind, letting it all go. Nothing is so important that it has to affect your sleep. I think it's been a practice of just letting go and realizing it will all work out. Oh, I love that. Yeah, actually, in my journey, I don't know if I had shared with you, but part of the reason for the genesis of this whole company was I had a period of just, uh, insomnia, couldn't sleep, and it changed my whole life.

And one of the thing, many modalities went down the road, spent tons of money, time, energy, effort. But I will say that letting go component was crucial and actually this one book called Letting Go by David Hawkins was really, really so profound in the training of that because that really takes something.

So that's fantastic. It sounds like put in the reps to be able to have some power in that. That's fantastic. Absolutely. Amazing. Okay, so for people listening, I know that they're absolutely going to want to learn more about this one and only FDA cleared lamp that supports creating vitamin D from a lamp.

But not only that, then the other possible products that they might want to explore if they're Then looking to bring in that bright light therapy as well to really reset their master clock as well as the physiological effects, the kind of excitatory effects, the ability to have more energy throughout the day and all those benefits that can come from that.

So what are the best ways for them to kind of follow and check out these products? Absolutely. For the vitamin D unit, you want to go to. com. It's S. P. E. R. T. and for our bright light it's Alaska Northern Light Alaska Northern Lights do links to these sister comp therapy arena on each of

can find at the bottom of The products that we carry at the alternate companies and you'll find it all just by going to one of those websites so awesome. Well, exciting and so great. Like the work that you're doing the stand that you are for light therapy. It's its own therapy, own protocol, photo therapy, the difference that that can make for our well being and really for us to start thinking of this as like a drug and a drug is something that can have measurable effects and can create a study.

And we have Yeah. mountains of studies of its impact. So, so appreciate the work you're doing, especially to your point, it couldn't be more timely given what the globe has just gone through over the past few years and what may be lurking ahead, but just in general for sleep even in and of itself. You cannot have great sleep without one sufficient vitamin D levels.

It's just not going to happen to the level that we are looking to fulfill on. And then secondly, to have a robust circadian rhythm, like is available through the Alaskan Northern light options. So really appreciate your time, energy, and attention on this topic. Absolutely. Molly, it's been a pleasure to talk to you and your audience today, and I want to congratulate you and thank you because I know.

You know, how many people, uh, every other person you talk to has sleep issues and, uh, and you're giving them resources, information, your own journey that you've gone through. So thank you for doing that. Oh, so appreciate it. Well, more goodness to come and definitely gonna. Link in the show notes, all the ways for people to check out what you all are up to.

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